Archive for May, 2008

Gas Muse 5-30-2008 ~ What Have We Learned So Far About Gas Leases, Gas Wells, etc. PART 4

Friday, May 30th, 2008

Here is a link to more YouTube Videos - this time from people in Western Pennsylvania.   DamascusCitizens.org produced these clips.

 http://www.youtube.com/GasDrillingTruth

The readers of this blog who think things will be all right and the various gas companies will do the right thing really need to spend the time to view these videos.  These are the vocal ones.  I wonder how many are keeping quiet because they feel totally helpless, defeated, scared or just fed up and don’t care any more?  These videos are fairly close to home.  I wonder how long before our residents will be making their own?

Gas Muse 5-29-2008 ~ What Have We Learned So Far About Gas Leases, Gas Wells, etc. PART 3 - UPDATE 1

Thursday, May 29th, 2008

Keeping this very short today.   Please look at the bottom of this post for Breaking News from the NRDC.  Finally, some protections for our water!!!

One of the best sources of information comes from areas which have already recently dealt with the Gas Industry.  Below is Part one of the Rural Impact as it exists as of November, 2007 in Colorado.  With the exception of the scenery, this could have been shot here. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVNgwMGEObE&feature=related

 Maybe this will address some of the skepticism of the problems posted by various readers of this blog. 

 It looks as if their government isn’t helping them either. 

Additional parts are available at youtube.com  

In the Search Box type “Rural Impact”  Some parts may be posted here later if anyone has a problem finding them. 

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This was just forwarded to the writer today.  BREAKING NEWS FROM THE NRDC

 http://www.nrdc.org/media/2008/080523.asp

No longer will these energy companies be able to hide behind the energy bill.  Now they are accountable.  Finally.  Good thing it’s now, not a year from now…

Gas Muse 5-20-2008 ~ What Have We Learned So Far About Gas Leases, Gas Wells, etc. PART 2

Tuesday, May 20th, 2008

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So, why have these landmen been so successful at getting landowners to sign a lease for your property which ultimately may only benefit the gas company? 

We have learned that some of their tactics include FEAR:  “If you don’t lease your property to us, and we lease the property next door, we will suck the gas out from under your land”.   We have also learned from various sources in the state that due to the fact that the gas is NOT in some giant dome below us waiting to be drawn out with a straw, it is trapped in rock which has to be fractured to allow the gas to flow.  According to published reports, fracturing can only affect an area a few hundred feet from the well itself.  Don’t forget though that because there is horizontal drilling, this can extend as much as 5,000 feet from the point of the well head.  Finally, we have learned that the gas is owned by who brings it to the surface, not on whose land it is under.

Another tactic appeals to the greed in all of us.  “Your land may never be driled on but you may still get money IF you are included in a production unit.  This could almost be really believeable and great IF we absolutely knew where and how large the production units are or will be.  This is one of the best kept industrial secrets in the gas industry today.  Oh yes, the landman will tell you that the production unit is anywhere between 40 and 640 acres.  Unless there has been a well drilled on or near your property, you don’t know how the production unit is laid out.

Of course the landman never tells you about the possibility of having an injection well on your property, which, by DEP employees own admission are a great concern to them.

More later.  Does anyone have any stories of encounters with landmen and how things were explained they would like to share?  Or, do they only talk about and really push the money and waffle about everything else?  That was my experience.  What was yours?

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Gas Muse 5-16-2008 ~ What Have We Learned So Far About Gas Leases, Gas Wells, etc. PART 1

Friday, May 16th, 2008

Since there is so much information available from so many sources, this writer figures it’s about time to review what we have learned so far.  This is a small overview and is not meant to be all inclusive.  The reader can fill in the gaps if they desire.

One of the first things we should have learned is that Common Sense was the first casualty.  Some could call it greed on the part of the landowners who were only looking for a check, “Free Money” so they thought.  When you get a few landowners together for almost any purpose, invariably, the discussion turns to gas leases, gas wells, and the like.  Invariably, the subject of price per acre for a gas lease comes up, then the boys (and girls) start comparing notes. 

Unfortunately, too many folks were too concerned with how much they got as “up front” lease money.  They don’t look at the fact that although they have received the entire amount of money, the actual price to lease per acre is determined by taking the amount paid, dividing it by the number of acres and then divide it by the number of years they signed the property up.  It really doesn’t look quite so good when you divide $750 per acre by 5 or 7 or 10 years does it?  Many property owners signed up for a whole lot less.  

Of course the most important financial part of the lease is what percentage the royalty would be AND just as important what determined the footprint (both as to outline and size) of a production unit. 

The former part of the question is partially answered by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania who states that 1/8 (12.5%) is minimum.  Yes, there are some who signed for less than that.  In other places, the royalty is up to as much as 25%.  The second part of the question has never been answered by any landman either completely, honestly or correctly, other than to say they don’t know.  Well someone knows, but they aren’t telling a prospect when they have them sign a lease. 

Oh yes, many landowners have agreed with the clause that there is a one time option for the gas company to have a second term for the same amount of money as the first term.   Here’s something to think about: If a dollar is worth less today then it was worth say 10 years ago, how much less will it be worth 5 to 10 years from today! 

Other terms of the lease are absolutely confusing to the average reader.  The more savvy landowners consulted their attorneys who suggested various changes and addendums.  Although this was somewhat of a help, our local boys and girls in the law community are over their heads in this matter.  There are very few attorneys who are really competent to address the contents of a lease within a couple of hundred miles of our fair county. 

Anyway, for whatever reason, you signed the lease for whatever terms you negotiated.  Now you have a check.  What to do, what to do. 

If you read the local papers, you have probably noticed they currently have a number of ads to (a) lease your land - best prices paid and (b) are you faced with the decision of what to do with all that cash you have just received from the generous gas lease you just signed.

Now, after talking with your neighbors and reading the paper, you feel both used and confused.  Used, in that since you have signed, the price per acre has gone up significantly (its a long way from $25 per acre to the current $2,500).  Confused in that you are torn between buying a new vehicle and puting the money in the bank.  Maybe the first thing is to see a financial advisor, banker or accountant.  Remember, the first thing is that your Uncle Sam needs his cut.  Unfortunately, there are more than a few who have ignored that litle fact.  They are in for a rude awakening next April 15th.

This is more than long enough for Part 1.  Part 2 will be along shortly.

One last thought here.  Several acquaintances of, as well as this writer, have spoken with different people in the Oil and Gas Management department as well as the Water Quality people at DEP.  One thing is absolutely apparent.  Your friendly landman running around here offering you the “last opportunity to lease your land at the absolute most any company will pay” is NOT well regarded by folks who know at DEP.  One person characterized them as being somewhere below used car salesmen. 

How nice.  This lays the groundwork to completely mistrust the gas companies who are now going to in some cases drill on land you have leased to them. 

Pleasant dreams?

Gas Muse 5-12-2008

Monday, May 12th, 2008

This writer trusts everyone had a nice day yesterday honoring all the mothers in their life.

Here is another website to review.  www.depweb.state.pa.us  If you go on the left side of the page, click on DEP programs A - Z.  Scroll down to Oil and Gas (Bureau of).  Click there.  Now you are at the page where if you look around, you can get a lot of information, including the API number of any well being drilled in the Commonwealth.  You will need this number if you want to speak to the DEP about a specific well about problems for example.  You may also need this number if you are asking the drilling company about the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) for a specific well.  This could be especially useful if you have done your baseline testing and have concerns about your water quality and the potential effects of fracing.  Don’t look to DEP for a lot of assistance though.  The acquaintance this writer referred to last week has had virtually no luck to this point in getting answers from DEP about water quality issues - period.  

Gas Muse 5-9-2008

Friday, May 9th, 2008

An acquaintance of the writer of this blog attempted to contact the DEP water quality people in Wilkes-Barre a couple of days ago.  570-826-2553.  No one was home.  Further, the voice mailbox was full.  This was during the middle of a business day.  The same occured today.  What’s going on here?  At that point, the person researched the internet and found http://www.dep.state.pa.us  Scrolling through, a name and number was obtained: Director of the Bureau of Oil and Gas Management - Hogeman, Dave 717-772-2199.

The number was called and there was a subsequent converstation with a staff member who assured the contact that someone would be calling back shortly.  The return call was from a person who suggested that the appropriate person to speak with was out of the office until the beginning of the week and that if the person attended one of the seminars being held in this part of the state could be helpful.  The contact indicated that the call was regarding the potential of pollution of a public water supply. At that point, the person said someone else would have to call back.

The return call was from a Mr. English.  After trying to tell the contact that there was nothing to worry about, the suggestion was to obtain the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) from the driller, Southerwestern Energy and inform them that they are drilling near a public water supply.  The process to get that information is in process.  The acquaintance is more than up for that challenge.  Why is the acquaintance so determined to get the information?  Maybe it’s because there is an investment property which is at risk due to the drilling and fracing process of a nearby gas well which was just drilled in Lenox Township.  Maybe it’s because jobs and the public health are at stake. 

Your thoughts?

Penn State Cooperative Extension to Offer 2 Natural Gas Forums

Friday, May 9th, 2008

The first is at the Honesdale High School May 21st from 7 - 9 pm.  The cost is free and no reservations are required.  More information at 570-729-7842.

The second is June 10th in Montrose at the County Office Building, 31 Public Avenue from 7 - 9 pm.  Reservations are required and there is a $5.00 fee.  Reservations may be made by calling 570-278-1158

Gas Muse 5-8-2008

Thursday, May 8th, 2008

Now more information is coming to light about water quality issues and injection wells. 

 The first link is to the RiverReporter.  Obviously, a lot of research has gone into this.  Note the reference to Henry Waxman’s (D California), House Oversight Committee and the various chemicals used.

http://www.riverreporter.com/issues/08-05-08/head2-drilling.html

 The second link is to the EPA site and refers to injection wells

 http://www.epa.gov/safewater/uic/index.html

After checking out the various links on that site, you will have a much better idea of what injection wells are, as well as what they will mean to our area. 

 Again, this writer suggests that EVERYONE who lives anywhere near (within a mile or so) of any new gas well have their water tested for VOC’s, total disolved solids and other pertinent items. The test MUST be taken by an independent source and tested by an independent certified laboratory.  This test must be done as a baseline test, before there is a problem with your water. 

Yes, you can pick up a bottle and take your own test.  Penn State will do a test for some reduced price.  Be careful in what and whom you put your faith in regarding water testing.   If you take the test yourself, please be prepared to understand that the results are informational at best and almost certainly won’t stand up in court.

In the first place, there is the matter of whether or not the test will include items which are absolutely critical to what you need to know.  Second, there is the absolutely essential matter of “Chain of Custody”.  Why would you care?  If you have a problem (as verified by a second or subsequent test), you will need to prove there was nothing wrong with your water in the first place.  At the end of the day, if you take the test yourself, there is no way you can prove (a) that the test was taken by you, (b) that the test was on water from your well, and (c) that you didn’t tamper with the original sample.  

  Think of the cost of the baseline test as an investment in your home, one you won’t get a second chance at.

Gas Muse 5-6-2008

Tuesday, May 6th, 2008

At this point, most will probably agree there is a huge amount of information available regarding the current “play” going on all around us.  If you haven’t seen, or don’t live in an area where it is available, the Scranton Times, starting this past Sunday (5-4-2008) they have been featuring numerous articles on this matter. 

Most of the articles are on line and available at www.scrantontimes.com

There are several pictures of drilling at Ordie Price’s Sawmill in PA 92 in  Lenox Township, about 1/2 mile from the I-81 Lenox exit. 

There is an article in the Sunday edition which notes that although (the Department of Environmental Protection) DEP is responsible for overseeing the drilling, fracing, production, wastewater and other byproducts from fracing processes as well as the impact of the roads leading to the actual well site, there are only Northwest and Southwest regional offices for the Oil and Gas Management Program.  The Northwest office oversees this area.  The DEP is working to increase their field staff.  ++ Probably by the time they manage to increase their staff and get them up to speed, it will be so far into the process that it won’t make a material difference to what’s happening ++. 

In one of the articles, the fracing process is discussed.  The fracing fluid is described as a liquid slurry of salt water, sand, gums and chemicals. 

Of course, there is NO mention of what chemicals are used, or explanation of “gums”.  Sounds as if Henry Waxman (D) California needs to fire up his House Oversight Committee (again), to investigate the situation. 

One of the most disturbing comments was made by a county resident who voiced the opinion that we are hillbillies and country people.  Don’t know about you, but this writer believes there are many other residents who would take umbrage from that remark; both those who have a formal education and those who don’t. 

In Monday’s edition, there was a Q & A session.  Very interesting.  One of the questions was regarding a landowner with only a few acres, but has neighbors who have signed a lease.  The question asked if the companies would be interested in their place.  The answer was yes.  The landowner would benefit IF the property was included in a production pool.  Yes, the companies are interested, and unless you have specific reasons not to lease, leasing could prove rewarding IF gas is produced from you pool.  Too many ifs for this writer.

This writer was speaking with someone from the local banking industry recently gave an entirely different viewpoint.  This person noted that these leases “could” invoke the “Due On Sale” clause which appears in every mortgage.  This means that if you have a mortgage and don’t use the lease funds to pay it off, the bank could demand payment for the entire balance of the mortgage.  Check with your own bank for details on this.  You may be surprised.

The other thing which was noted was that when you get a new mortgage, the property is always appraised.  The appraiser will most certainly be taking into account the fact that the property has been leased and will DISCOUNT THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY BY THE CURRENT VALUE OF LEASES, RATHER THAN WHAT YOU SIGNED FOR.   According to this person, this means that although you may have signed a lease for $750 per acre for 20 acres for example, because the current value of a lease is $2,500, then the value of your property would be discounted by not $15,000 (750*20), but rather $50,000 (2,500*20). 

I hope this does not become the same shock that will occur for those who spent their lease money without keeping the IRS in mind…

More later